ALSA Competition Experience: Client Interview

Alexandra Cornfield and Isabella Sorby
As two fourth-year law students, Bella and I are so glad we got involved with the
LSS Client Interview Competition in Semester One.
Not only did we gain invaluable practical legal skills, but we had fun competing
in both the LSS Competition and at ALSA, the national competition. What we
enjoyed most was getting to know different legal situations and gaining the ability
to read different clients.
We learnt throughout the competition that treating your client with respect was
the best thing you could do in creating a friendly and safe environment. Difficult
clients were inevitable, and making them happy and calm was a major objective for us. We made sure we put ourselves in the shoes of the client, quickly learning what it was they sought to gain from the interview. Each round we were faced with a completely different set of facts and a new client so flexibility was crucial. Adapting to new clients and each situation enabled us to change tactics when giving our advice to the client.
We were lucky enough to win the LSS Competition and progress to ALSA, which
was such a great week. Not only were we competing but we went to cocktail nights
and socials at Parliament House and the War Memorial. We left the competition
having had a great time and having come fifth which we were extremely proud of.
We would highly recommend getting involved with the LSS Competitions. It’s a
great way to further your legal skills and have some fun too!
Alexandra is a fourth year Law/International Relations student and Isabella
is a fourth year Law/Arts student

Oh La Law Ball

Felicity Moran

Do you hear the people sing? Singing the songs of studious law students? It is the music of the people who will not get HD’s again. Yep that’s right. Law Ball 2017 was revolutionarily good. So good that I trust there were a few sore heads the next day.

The Biggest Law Ball in the Southern Hemisphere took place on Thursday the 3rd of August with over six-hundred ANU students donning their most ostentatious gowns and robes as they descended upon the QT Hotel. The 2017 theme, Versailles, ensured that the event was as decadent and extravagant as always, with guests partaking in frivolous dancing and feasting until 11PM.

This year Law Ball was generously sponsored by Allens and Linklaters. MJ Bale also generously dontated a $899 suit to be raffled off, with all proceeds going towards Cambodian NGO’s. The night could not have been a success without this sponsorship and also without the help of the incredible LSS Events team consisting of Lucy Price, Katharine Fu and Shiban Shahid!

This incredible trio dedicated over twenty hours pouring over Excel spreadsheets ensuring that tables were as preferenced as possible. But following the French revolutionary theme, it wouldn’t have been right if we didn’t whip out the guillotine and ‘chop, chop’ to table 57 and 58. We let them eat cake, by themselves, but luckily everyone was in good spirits and we’re grateful for their understanding.

Just like Marie and Louie, we kicked on to the Paris of the Southern Hemisphere. Civic. Acadz, also known as the better sibling of Moulin Rouge, pulled out all the stops and provided drinks including Head on the Blocks and Viva La Revolution.

Massive shout-out to all the committee who helped out both during the day and night, it couldn’t happen without you.

Thank you to everyone who came, we hope you had as an incredible night as we did! Merci beaucoup xx

Felicity is a second year Law/Business Administration student and current LSS VP (Events). 

Law in Action: Cambodia Outreach Project

Felicity Brown

It was a privilege to be a part of the inaugural LSS Social Justice trip. Having returned I have a new perspective on international law, the operation of legal systems and non- government organisations. I also developed a deeper understanding of Cambodia’s culture and history and even learnt a bit of Khmer.

Before travelling to Cambodia we ran various fundraising initiatives selling chocolate boxes, bake sales and windscreen wiping at intersections. is was a great way to bring the team together and interact with the wider Canberra community. We were also fortunate to be invited to some events hosted by the local Khmer community in Canberra. We held classes with ANU PhD students on the history of the ECCC, current issues in Cambodia and language and culture classes. e team worked together to make contact with various non-government organisations and planned the itinerary together.

A er a year of preparation we boarded the plane to Cambodia. Upon arrival we met our tour guide and settled into our hotel. Our rst stop was Siem Reap where we visited the magni cent temples at the ancient city of Angkor om, but the highlight was watching sunset over Angkor Wat.

Our next stop was Battambang, where we met representatives from Hope for Cambodia Children, visited the local court, Legal Aid and Battambang University. It was inspiring to meet students who were passionate about their studies and committed to contributing their expertise to the development of Cambodia.

Finally, we travelled to Phonm Pehn. On our rst day we witnessed the ECCC in action. We were fortunate to speak to representatives from the co-prosecution, the defence, public a airs and victims support section. is was certainly a highlight of the trip and an eye opening experience for all students. Later in the a ernoon we spoke to the United Nations Human Rights Commission in Cambodia. e following days we visited a number of NGOs including Legal Aid of Cambodia, Transparency International, e Handa Centre, LICADHO and the Cambodia Centre for Human Rights, where we discussed issues relating to corruption, fair trial rights and land rights.

A valuable lesson from this trip was the importance of education and leading with our hearts. Having being confronted with Cambodia’s tragic history, its struggle to recover and its current social justice issues, we were inspired by the local community who are committed to rebuilding their nation and continue to fight for justice in the face of many challenges. is was a truly invaluable, unforgettable experience that has made me re ect on ways in which I can use my degree to bene t others and resolve social justice issues not only in Australia but abroad.

Felicity studies LLB(Hons)/BIR and a Dip. Languages. She was Director of Social Justice in 2016 and was a tour leader along with Dan McNamara and Nic Bills. Her passions include human rights and the development of law in post con ict societies.

Brave New Worlds: Challenges for Evidence in the 21st Century – A Student’s Perspective

Marcus Dahl

The complicated relationship between the disciplines of law and science is never so openly on display as it is in the study of fact-finding in evidence law. What evidence is allowed in a trial, how it has been collected and summarised, what weight it is given, and how its reliability plays on the minds of a jury are all issues at the crossroads of scientific method and legal reasoning.

In this respect, it was fitting that High Court Justice The Hon Stephen Gageler AC gave a keynote address titled ‘The Science of Truth’ to the conference jointly held by the National Judicial College of Australia and the ANU College of Law, Brave New Worlds: Challenges for Evidence in the 21st Century. On March 4th and 5th, 2017, Brave New Worlds brought together some of Australia’s sharpest academic and judicial minds to address some of the deeply challenging issues that evidence law faces in a modern world of science and technology.

A sample of some of the contentious issues raised are noted here. The first was how transcripts of covert recordings are used in court and how they can be unreliable and contain difficult-to-detect inaccuracies, which risks likely injustice unless independent phonetic science is more prominently featured in the court process. Another related classic example is in the use of less-than-certain DNA evidence, and the issues around the so-called “CSI effect” where juries are susceptible to trusting any forensic evidence as fact. Perhaps more worrying, research around face identification of strangers suggests that even under the best of conditions, our ability to correctly ID unknown faces is as low as 50%, worsening with other-race effects, despite the weight that such evidence carries in court. These sessions were filled with difficult questions that clearly did not have easy answers.

These apparently severe conflicts between research and evidence law can, in my mind, be attributed to two key differences between scientific and legal practice. In science, a publishable theory or method is measured against all existing theories by a high threshold of statistical significance, and its purpose is to improve upon our estimation of facts without making claims of certainty. In law, an admissible theory or method is measured against the legal standard (beyond reasonable doubt or balance of probabilities) in isolation, and is for the purpose of proving facts and subsequently treating them as if they were certain. Science can be published with error bars, confidence intervals, and recommendations for future research developments. Judgments cannot.

A scientific method which is accurate 95% of the time will be rendered obsolete by an otherwise similar method which is accurate 99.5% of the time. The same 95% accurate method, however, might be the only one used for forensic evidence adduced by a prosecutor, and the existence of the other method may no longer be relevant. If a judge threw out relevant key forensic evidence simply because it used an outdated method which was slightly less accurate than possible, then an otherwise strong case could be substantially weakened. What is publishable in scientific journals and what is admissible in court are two deeply different measures.

On one hand, this allows the court system to function efficiently, to hear useful evidence and to get results. If research methods were only allowed if they had been published in respectable academic journals, and expert witnesses were only called if they had the right accreditation by professional bodies, then hearings and trials with contentious evidence issues would rise in costs and would slow down badly.

On the other hand, however, worse than justice delivered slowly, is justice delivered wrongly. The admission of questionable expert witnesses with little or no real expertise, evidence using second-rate identification or transcription methods, or testimonies of eyewitnesses whose identification abilities in similar controlled circumstances are a coin-toss, all of which will be given significant weight by a jury or even a judge without a scientific background, is dangerous.

This appears to lead us to a defeated conclusion: that fact finding in law is, and always will be, less reliable than fact finding in science. Evidence law will not always have the luxury of being scientifically publishable. This truth, however, once accepted, is helpful. Science and law are not enemies and their relationship should not be given up on. Twenty-first century science can be applied to help us understand the justice system in ways never before available to us. Because science and law give different types of insights, they can collaborate fruitfully, and with this sentiment, I refer back to Justice Gageler’s address to Brave New Worlds.

In speaking about the ‘Science of Truth’, Justice Gageler was suggesting how behavioural science does indeed show that we are much worse at forming subjective beliefs about facts under conditions of uncertainty. Reference was made to Professor Daniel Kahneman, and as a student of psychology, I highly recommend his work. We are worse at estimating probabilities than we think. We are less rational than we think. Our thought processes are affected by serious and persistent biases. But this does not mean that we give up on having juries or judges or finding facts. Similarly, we do not give up on forensic or expert evidence because it is imperfect.

Science has a role to play in informing the legal process, and that role is expanding in the 21st century world. If we acknowledge the challenges facing evidence law, we can improve it. Behavioural science research into human irrationality, biases, other-race effects and decision-making can inform how juries are chosen, trained and instructed, so as to minimise human error. Forensic science research can inform best practice guidelines for what types of forensic evidence police collect and what kinds of expert witnesses are called in trials. The legal principles of evidence move slowly, but the content of the evidence itself changes quickly. With appropriate direction, funding, and professional training, the quality of evidence and legal outcomes in Australia can continue to improve.

Much like Brave New World the novel, this conference was a fascinating insight into some of the darker, more complicated aspects of human irrationality existing in a rapidly developing, and increasingly rational, technological and scientific world. But much like the novel, one of the conclusions that can be drawn is one of hope and potential. The research methods and technologies we have created can assist us in understanding ourselves, judges, juries and defendants. Whilst it is true that the relationship between science and law challenges us, our assumptions, and existing ways of reasoning, that relationship also offers us new understandings of evidence and juries, new forensic abilities to identify and convict criminals, and the potential for a more just world. Behavioural science, forensice science and evidence law all have contributions to make to each other and to society.

Marcus is a 4th year BSc/LLB(Hons) student, and is an ANUSA Science Representative.

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Crazy for CoL: meet your 2017 ANUSA candidates

The ANUSA College of Law representatives, like all fac reps, sit on the College Representative Council. Perhaps more importantly, they sit on the LLB (hons) Committee, a committee specifically about the undergraduate program and course changes, and the Law College Education Committee, where the college exec sits to discuss faculty-wide issues. Consider it important to choose a good CoL rep because they can ultimately ensure the voice of the ANU law cohort is heard.

With ANUSA elections almost upon us, Peppercorn interviewed the four candidates for CoL rep. Read their responses below and learn more about their policies by going to the Facebook pages for the Amplify and Connect tickets.*


Grace Bramwell

In 2017 we aim to work with both students and lecturers to ensure that the best learning experience is provided. We aim to cultivate a culture of collaboration as opposed to competition. We aim to work with our peers and professors to maintain a quality learning experience for students. We are motivated to work towards improving several areas relevant to Law students, including; improving student wellbeing, assessments, and increased opportunities for students.

I have been involved with ANUSA first-year Law camps for the past 2 years, attending as both a student and mentor. I have also been involved with the International Law Society, including being a member of the events committee during my first year and the Education Director for Semester One of 2016. I have previously participated in the Negotiations Competition last year and am currently involved in the LSS Client Interview Competition. I have also just been approved as a member of the new Climate Change LRSJ Project assisting in the development of an issue paper looking at the Australian Climate Change litigation options based on Human Rights.

Q: A distinctive part of law school is extra-curricular opportunities and involvement outside of study. How to you plan to further these opportunities for law students?

A: Myself and Sammy have emphasised the importance of providing all Law students with the opportunity to improve all skills needed when entering the workforce.

Some of the more specific plans that I will focus on to ensure the promotion of extracurricular opportunities for all students will include:

  • The main focus of our policy is to promote opportunities that will require collaboration with past alumni and societies to streamline mentorship programs. For example; working with the ILS on implementing their mentorship plan. More specifically, this will occur through the promotion of more networking events and forums promoting discussion and collaboration.
  • From my own experiences trying to navigate the Law Internship Program, there is a lack of direction and limited availability of information. We will thus strive to a expand the opportunities available to students and provide them with more guidance on how to approach potential mentors and support working through the administrative details to ensure it is not a barrier to interested students whom want to undertake an Internship for credit.
  • There needs to be more use of social media to promote the extra-curricular opportunities available to students. The focus on enhancing both students’ hard & soft skills will allow students to gauge a better appreciation for their strengths extending beyond purely an academic focus.
  • Lastly, if elected as a CoL candidate it will be my primary focus to maintain consistent contact with the highly competent law school faculty particularly with the law school reform committee to ensure that the views of students are adequately represented and tangible change occurs is this area of the Law School experience.


Ellie Dowling

I’m Ellie Dowling, currently in my 2nd year at the ANU. The ANU CoL is indeed world-renowned, however I believe areas can be amplified to ensure it’s constantly reflective of, and adapting to, the standards and expectations set by students themselves! In its briefest form, I aim to ensure mental health and overall wellbeing is a structural focus within the CoL, enhance consultation with CoL staff, improve collaboration with other law societies on campus (like the LSS), and heighten student support and engagement. Within these broad frameworks, myself and Maddison have developed in-depth policies and strategies that are realistic, positive and achievable – to find out more check out our policy document floating on the Amplify ANUSA Facebook page. I love studying law at the ANU and believe that all should students should receive a quality education and a fantastic student experience.

This year I was lucky enough to have worked in the Education Portfolio on the Law Students’ Society among some amazing people. Through this experience I’ve developed a deep understanding of both broad and individual issues existing in the CoL, plus how to implement successful strategies of improvement. In the Education Portfolio, I organised and contributed to initiatives such as pre-exam tutorials, electives guides, speaker series, and a first year Q&A introductory forum. It was through this opportunity that I learnt many of the consistent concerns being raised by students such as timing of exams and assignments, quality and quantity of feedback, tutorial signups and marking criteria, international opportunities, and the digital evolution of education delivery such as the introduction of JD Online. I’ve also been involved with the Law Marketing Team through my upcoming participation in the 2016 CoL Open Day Program as a Student Ambassador.

Q: Mental Health at law school is a vital topic, with many students and professionals affected by these issues. How do you propose to alleviate stress amongst your peers?

A: The mental welfare and wellbeing of law students arises as a systemic issue year after year, and often is dealt with through inadequate strategies that have either unachievable or inadequate goals. Feelings of insecurity and distress are common among CoL students, and I aim to address the common triggers of mental stress on students though realistic, positive and achievable strategies.

I plan to conduct widespread student consultation through direct dialogue and feedback surveys to pinpoint the compulsory causes that induce the highest level of stress. Using the information gathered, I’ll target those compulsory courses considered to be the most demanding, identify reasons for this, and in turn create strategies addressing the unique root causes of the problems within the specific course.

Assignments are another highly stressful limb of the CoL. I’ll push for the improvement of the quality and consistency of exam/assignment feedback and a transparent marking system. I’ll also examine high-stress modes of assessment (such as oral presentations and closed-book exams) and consider how alternative modes of assessment may be beneficial in specific circumstances.

Finally, many students come to Uni from very sheltered Secondary Education and arrive at Uni with inadequate skills and experience in stress management. I plan to conduct stress management workshops and create and distribute a handbook unique to law students to teach practical and positive skills in handling the pressures that exist in the CoL.


Maddison Perkins

My vision for the CoL is advocating for the wholistic wellbeing of its students. Ellie Dowling and I have compiled these approaches to achieving this aim. Firstly, advocating for the focus on mental health by conducting surveys and consultations to pinpoint compulsory courses that are causing students the most stress. By targeting these courses we will be able to develop specific and effective means of mitigating stress. We want to acknowledge the work of other law based groups within the university such as the LSS, and the ILS and organise regular meetings to facilitate collaboration and information sharing. We also want to amplify student support and engagement by providing resources and organising programs to support certain demographics that struggle to engage. These groups include the second semester intake, first years and students interested in internships and exchanges.

In all honesty I have had limited involvement with the law school. The extent of my involvement has been predominately through my courses and attending pre exam tutorials and speaker events such as the Justice Kirby event last year. However this does not mean I have had no experience with student advocacy. I am currently a gen rep on ANUSA and have used this role to learn how student advocacy through a student representative body can be effective. The skills I have learnt through ANUSA and the Mental Health Committee are transferable to the college representative role and engagement with the law school.

Q: Part of being an ANUSA CoL rep is ensuring law students’ voices are heard by law school staff. How do you intend to improve consultation between staff and students?

A: Improving communication between students and staff is a main focus of the Amplify team. As college reps sitting on the education committee for law, it is not only the perfect opportunity to ensure students voices are being heard but also a way to ask questions that clarify the changes to programs and courses in order to relay this important information back to students. In order to ensure this opportunity is used to the best of our ability we will be running consultation sessions both in the law school and through social media before each meeting to ensure the views of all law students are being represented. We will use this opportunity to ensure that we communicate changes to CoL students, regarding courses and degree structures, as well as changes to exchange and overseas programs.


Sammy Woodforde

There are three things I envision improving at the CoL in 2017: assessment, mental health and wellbeing, and opportunity. Firstly, while assessment is a large part of the law school experience it’s one of the biggest stressors in a student’s life. With this in mind, I would like to work to connect students with staff, and gain an idea of what formats work. Similarly, as we move into more digital formats I would like to keep the faculty accountable for decisions. Secondly, law student wellbeing is a priority both as an individual and (hopefully!) as a student rep. Increasing support for first year students, beginning in semester one and two, through skill sessions and a revised PAL system is key, as is upskilling lecturers to help them engage with students of all years when mental health becomes a barrier to study. Finally, whilst the CoL offers so many fantastic domestic and international opportunities, lack of awareness and opaque application procedures can make it difficult for students to fully embrace these opportunities, something I will work with the CoL on.

Through the Law School, I have been involved in the Law Reform and Social Justice Legal Literacy Prison Visits Program. I’ve also had the opportunity to do some volunteering at the Youth Law Centre over winter.

Through the LSS I have really enjoyed competing in the comps. Having given Negotiations, Mooting, and Client Interview a shot, I have been able to enjoy the wide spectrum of opportunities in this area the LSS offers. Last year my Client Interview partner and I represented ANU at the Australian Law Students Association annual conference which was a lot of fun, and an interesting way to meet people from Law Societies across Australia and gain a lot more of an idea of how other Law Schools are structured and run.

Q: Law school assessments can be stressful especially for first years who have never seen anything similar. How do you plan to make assessments more manageable?

A: Law assessments are certainly very daunting, particularly coming into first year and being given them for the first time. There are a few things I plan to do to help make assessment more manageable, and not just for first years!

For those coming into first year, I would really like to improve the PAL mentoring program, and work with the LSS and law faculty on running assessment answer sessions earlier in the year. The PAL mentoring program, whilst a fantastic initiative, could do with a few tweaks to more effectively assist first year students at connecting with others and learning useful skills. This would include a more structured program and more comprehensive sessions. Furthermore, whilst the LSS currently provides a number of very useful final-exam tutorials, I would really like to help run sessions earlier in the semester to coincide with the major assessments of the first year subjects, in order to provide some assistance early on and help people with the daunting tasks of those early take-homes.

In particular, I would like to run a more comprehensive welcome program for students beginning in the second semester. These students do not get all the benefits of those coming in the first semester and have the added disadvantage of facing assessment formats they’ve never seen before, whilst the majority has had a semester’s practice. As such, I would like to work closely with the FAL second semester cohort in improving skills, for example through a crash course seminar.

More generally, I would like to review the current assessment formats through the lens of what both staff and students find valuable. This would take the form of consultation with lecturers and course convenors, and a survey released to law students. Information from this survey can then be used by lecturers when structuring courses, as well as giving the faculty and students awareness of what the stressful points of courses are to better monitor and assist in student wellbeing. I plan to work with and keep the faculty accountable for decisions taken moving forward with taking assessment online and reducing face-to-face hours. Similarly, I would like to work with lecturers of compulsory courses in being aware of which courses students tend to take simultaneously to avoid the same due dates or exam dates, as much as possible, for these courses.

So go, enfranchise yourself, exercise your democratic right and make sure to vote in the coming week!



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